Comments on: Reports of blogging’s death are… http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/ Technology, politics, culture Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:24:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: TwitterMania - Repersonalizing Communication « Connected http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4955 TwitterMania - Repersonalizing Communication « Connected Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:52:54 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4955 [...] the death of “standard” blogging? A recent Wired article argued just that, but I think WordYard provides the best refute to this claim. I agree that the blogoshere longtail will become a bit [...] [...] the death of “standard” blogging? A recent Wired article argued just that, but I think WordYard provides the best refute to this claim. I agree that the blogoshere longtail will become a bit [...]

]]> By: bowerbird http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4734 bowerbird Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:18:12 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4734 > that’s not what Calacanis has created: > his mailing list is one way! oh, well then i agree that's full-on stupid. at least blogs are in the open, indexed by search engines, and thus "on the record", whereas many listserves are in a black hole. -bowerbird > that’s not what Calacanis has created:
> his mailing list is one way!

oh, well then i agree that’s full-on stupid.
at least blogs are in the open, indexed by
search engines, and thus “on the record”,
whereas many listserves are in a black hole.

-bowerbird

]]> By: Blogging = Freedom at Non-Linear Complexity http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4730 Blogging = Freedom at Non-Linear Complexity Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:00:08 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4730 [...] Reports of blogging’s death are… (Scott Rosenberg) Μοιραστείτε το: [...] [...] Reports of blogging’s death are… (Scott Rosenberg) Μοιραστείτε το: [...]

]]> By: Scott Rosenberg http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4726 Scott Rosenberg Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:02:52 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4726 Bowerbird, I'm with you on the value of old-fasioned listservs. But that's not what Calacanis has created: his mailing list is one way! You and I can't post to it. All we can do is send Jason email, which he may or may not choose to excerpt or mention in one of his messages to his list. Which is pretty much exactly what happens on a blog where there are no comments: readers send the blogger email, and the blogger decides what to recirculate. (Josh Marshall does this very effectively.) Of course, if you're a blogger, you're also always free to post on your own site about what Jason says on his list, or what some blogger w/no comments facility has said, too. It's always a tradeoff: yes, blogs privilege the author. This inhibits the free-flowing debate of a traditional mailing list; it also can, under good circumstances, enable individual voices to be heard more clearly. Bowerbird, I’m with you on the value of old-fasioned listservs. But that’s not what Calacanis has created: his mailing list is one way! You and I can’t post to it. All we can do is send Jason email, which he may or may not choose to excerpt or mention in one of his messages to his list.

Which is pretty much exactly what happens on a blog where there are no comments: readers send the blogger email, and the blogger decides what to recirculate. (Josh Marshall does this very effectively.)

Of course, if you’re a blogger, you’re also always free to post on your own site about what Jason says on his list, or what some blogger w/no comments facility has said, too.

It’s always a tradeoff: yes, blogs privilege the author. This inhibits the free-flowing debate of a traditional mailing list; it also can, under good circumstances, enable individual voices to be heard more clearly.

]]> By: bowerbird http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4725 bowerbird Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:56:42 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4725 > which sounds great until you think, > uh, couldn’t he have just > turned off the comments? well, if he wanted to stop listening to his audience, yes. but why would he do that? he wants to talk with people with a stake in the conversation, not the drive-by asses who only care to sabotage the interaction... listserves might be old-fashioned to some, but they are the multi-way communication that the web is supposed to be all about... blogs, on the other hand, seem to me to be a multitude of _one-way_soapboxes_ that occasionally appears (to some participants) to be multi-way communication, but which never really attains that goal in large part... and part of the reason is because there is such a status difference between the posts and the comments. heck, with most people using r.s.s. readers, they don't even _see_ the comments, so it's fully a one-way talk. i applaud a move from blog to listserve, where the community is on equal footing. but do i expect most bloggers to give up their position of privilege? of course not. most people would much rather prefer to be a big fish in their own small pond than be a small fish in a bigger communal lake. -bowerbird > which sounds great until you think,
> uh, couldn’t he have just
> turned off the comments?

well, if he wanted to stop listening to his
audience, yes. but why would he do that?

he wants to talk with people with a stake
in the conversation, not the drive-by asses
who only care to sabotage the interaction…

listserves might be old-fashioned to some,
but they are the multi-way communication
that the web is supposed to be all about…

blogs, on the other hand, seem to me to be
a multitude of _one-way_soapboxes_ that
occasionally appears (to some participants)
to be multi-way communication, but which
never really attains that goal in large part…

and part of the reason is because there is
such a status difference between the posts
and the comments. heck, with most people
using r.s.s. readers, they don’t even _see_
the comments, so it’s fully a one-way talk.

i applaud a move from blog to listserve,
where the community is on equal footing.

but do i expect most bloggers to give up
their position of privilege? of course not.

most people would much rather prefer to
be a big fish in their own small pond than
be a small fish in a bigger communal lake.

-bowerbird

]]> By: Scott Rosenberg http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4723 Scott Rosenberg Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:19:06 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4723 I don't doubt Paul is having fun, in his own way. The "dismal" here is very much in the eye of the beholder! If your blogging involves a constant focus on the metrics and an obsessive hunt for stuff that's mocking or belittling, I don't see how that's sustainable in the long run. The mistake is to assume that everyone else is blogging with the same objectives in mind. I don’t doubt Paul is having fun, in his own way.

The “dismal” here is very much in the eye of the beholder!

If your blogging involves a constant focus on the metrics and an obsessive hunt for stuff that’s mocking or belittling, I don’t see how that’s sustainable in the long run. The mistake is to assume that everyone else is blogging with the same objectives in mind.

]]> By: Cyrus Farivar http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4721 Cyrus Farivar Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:43:06 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4721 Did you ever consider asking Boutin directly? I don't think he considers his gig to be "dismal." Did you ever consider asking Boutin directly? I don’t think he considers his gig to be “dismal.”

]]> By: Future of Blogging - Blogging is Changing For The Better - It’s About Collaboration « Furrier.org - Business & Technology Blog http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4714 Future of Blogging - Blogging is Changing For The Better - It’s About Collaboration « Furrier.org - Business & Technology Blog Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:26:09 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4714 [...] 21, 2008 Posted by John Furrier in social media. Tags: blogging trackback Update: This post from Scott Rosenberg is worth reading on the topic. Well written and spot [...] [...] 21, 2008 Posted by John Furrier in social media. Tags: blogging trackback Update: This post from Scott Rosenberg is worth reading on the topic. Well written and spot [...]

]]> By: VENKATAKRISHNA NALAMOTHU http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4713 VENKATAKRISHNA NALAMOTHU Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:24:34 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4713 Csual blogging may be dead but not useful blogging. Bloggers are mailing me if I stop writing even for a single day. Content should be useful- that is the secret of success. Social networks are lazy people-this the perception among the serious readers. Csual blogging may be dead but not useful blogging. Bloggers are mailing me if I stop writing even for a single day. Content should be useful- that is the secret of success. Social networks are lazy people-this the perception among the serious readers.

]]> By: John Furrier http://www.wordyard.com/2008/10/21/reports-of-bloggings-death-are/comment-page-1/#comment-4712 John Furrier Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:23:51 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1614#comment-4712 I've been in this golden age and even now with two blogs furrier.org and broaddev.com; one is my personal blog and the other a collaboration blog of friends....all consultants who's ideas promote collaboration hence lead gen not page views. Blogging has always been about access to information and ideas; fresh voices; and collaboration of ideas with the spirit of developing something (product, idea expansion, opinions, debate,..etc) - not a walled garden arbitrage like we see with megablogs- Paul K is right on the money (pun intended) http://furrier.org/2008/10/21/future-of-blogging-blogging-is-changing-for-the-better-its-about-collaboration/ I’ve been in this golden age and even now with two blogs furrier.org and broaddev.com; one is my personal blog and the other a collaboration blog of friends….all consultants who’s ideas promote collaboration hence lead gen not page views.

Blogging has always been about access to information and ideas; fresh voices; and collaboration of ideas with the spirit of developing something (product, idea expansion, opinions, debate,..etc) – not a walled garden arbitrage like we see with megablogs- Paul K is right on the money (pun intended)

http://furrier.org/2008/10/21/future-of-blogging-blogging-is-changing-for-the-better-its-about-collaboration/

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