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		<title>By: ENDANGERED SPECIES: TRADITIONAL MEDIA AND JOURNALISM &#124; Passing Thru</title>
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		<dc:creator>ENDANGERED SPECIES: TRADITIONAL MEDIA AND JOURNALISM &#124; Passing Thru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Rosenberg, founder of Salon, says [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Rosenberg&#8217;s Wordyard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Andreessen&#8217;s newspaper advice echoes Grove&#8217;s, a decade ago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rosenberg&#8217;s Wordyard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Andreessen&#8217;s newspaper advice echoes Grove&#8217;s, a decade ago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of course, those jobs will vanish anyway. As I wrote in June, I think the newspaper-company ships are doomed to sink, and individual journalists will have to find their own individual lifeboats and routes to shore. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/30/journalism-tribes-migration-path/comment-page-1/#comment-3696</link>
		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Scott. I too missed Personal Democracy Forum but watched this video. 

I think your assessment is right -  &quot;Migration is certainly still an option for many individual journalists. For institutions, I think the ships may have already sailed.&quot; 

I am a big believer that journalists will have to learn to stand-alone, like modern scribes. That&#039;s partly why I&#039;m creating spot.us - I think there will be more and more freelancers who will need a means to collect money from small publishers.

But - what is certainly exciting is that the future is unknown and &quot;the tribe&quot; is finally on the move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Scott. I too missed Personal Democracy Forum but watched this video. </p>
<p>I think your assessment is right &#8211;  &#8220;Migration is certainly still an option for many individual journalists. For institutions, I think the ships may have already sailed.&#8221; </p>
<p>I am a big believer that journalists will have to learn to stand-alone, like modern scribes. That&#8217;s partly why I&#8217;m creating spot.us &#8211; I think there will be more and more freelancers who will need a means to collect money from small publishers.</p>
<p>But &#8211; what is certainly exciting is that the future is unknown and &#8220;the tribe&#8221; is finally on the move.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Rae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished &quot;Rainbow&#039;s End&quot; by Verner Vinge, an SF novel of the near future.  Security problems (terrorists) and the complete loss of a revenue model for any digital content (movies, music, journalism) have resulted in the creation of a secure operation environment in which every packet is marked and signed.  It&#039;s certainly one possible outcome for this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished &#8220;Rainbow&#8217;s End&#8221; by Verner Vinge, an SF novel of the near future.  Security problems (terrorists) and the complete loss of a revenue model for any digital content (movies, music, journalism) have resulted in the creation of a secure operation environment in which every packet is marked and signed.  It&#8217;s certainly one possible outcome for this!</p>
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		<title>By: Rogers Cadenhead</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/30/journalism-tribes-migration-path/comment-page-1/#comment-3573</link>
		<dc:creator>Rogers Cadenhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At the very historical moment that the news pros faced relentless new scrutiny from a vast army of dedicated amateur watchdogs and expert critics, they offered up a relentless sequence of missteps and disasters.&quot;

I think it&#039;s more likely that those kinds of sins have always been in journalism, but it wasn&#039;t until the web leveled the playing field that we found out about them in such great number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At the very historical moment that the news pros faced relentless new scrutiny from a vast army of dedicated amateur watchdogs and expert critics, they offered up a relentless sequence of missteps and disasters.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more likely that those kinds of sins have always been in journalism, but it wasn&#8217;t until the web leveled the playing field that we found out about them in such great number.</p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
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		<dc:creator>orcmid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sunday’s NY Times Business section has an essay by Randall Stross arguing that Microsoft ought to give up on the new Windows 7 and rewrite its operating system from scratch.&quot;  

If Stross is a journalist, I think your use of this example is definitely a double-edged sword.  If he is not a journalist, he illustrates some of the complaints journalists like to lodge against bloggers and other non-professional sources who don&#039;t look great against serious fact-checking.

I take your point though.  Microsoft is behaving as an entrenched establishment, and we don&#039;t know how they will fare in World 2.0.  Perhaps the recovery technology giant IBM demonstrated (as another example that has played out) is perhaps just not in the DNA of the newspaper industry?

This may be way tougher than the struggle with/of the typesetters so many years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sunday’s NY Times Business section has an essay by Randall Stross arguing that Microsoft ought to give up on the new Windows 7 and rewrite its operating system from scratch.&#8221;  </p>
<p>If Stross is a journalist, I think your use of this example is definitely a double-edged sword.  If he is not a journalist, he illustrates some of the complaints journalists like to lodge against bloggers and other non-professional sources who don&#8217;t look great against serious fact-checking.</p>
<p>I take your point though.  Microsoft is behaving as an entrenched establishment, and we don&#8217;t know how they will fare in World 2.0.  Perhaps the recovery technology giant IBM demonstrated (as another example that has played out) is perhaps just not in the DNA of the newspaper industry?</p>
<p>This may be way tougher than the struggle with/of the typesetters so many years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Penrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Penrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a general problem here, right? Institutions can be &quot;captured&quot; by senior management, who were chosen because they met yesterday&#039;s criteria. If today&#039;s criteria are different, management faces a choice between, in effect, ordering their troops to continue a slow suicide mission or falling on their own swords so better leadership can save the army. Typically they protect themselves from the second choice by refusing to acknowledge that exists, thereby selecting mass suicide by default.

Surely someone has written well about how to deal with this structural problem of the generic promote-from-the-ranks organizational pyramid -- maybe Drucker? Christiansen&#039;s &quot;Innovator&#039;s Dilemma&quot; is kind of a special case, then there&#039;s the Peter Principle, also related ... anyone have a definitive text?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a general problem here, right? Institutions can be &#8220;captured&#8221; by senior management, who were chosen because they met yesterday&#8217;s criteria. If today&#8217;s criteria are different, management faces a choice between, in effect, ordering their troops to continue a slow suicide mission or falling on their own swords so better leadership can save the army. Typically they protect themselves from the second choice by refusing to acknowledge that exists, thereby selecting mass suicide by default.</p>
<p>Surely someone has written well about how to deal with this structural problem of the generic promote-from-the-ranks organizational pyramid &#8212; maybe Drucker? Christiansen&#8217;s &#8220;Innovator&#8217;s Dilemma&#8221; is kind of a special case, then there&#8217;s the Peter Principle, also related &#8230; anyone have a definitive text?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But the biggest — the absence of a stiff media challenge to the Bush administration’s Iraq war misinformation campaign — was a failure of civic responsibility. With that failure, the professionals forfeited their claim to special privilege or unique public role as challengers of official wrongdoing and ferreters of truth.&quot;

Thank you. I hope you continue to hammer this point home! Admissions of culpability by mainstream media with regard to this catastrophic melt-down of responsibility are still almost entirely absent from the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the biggest — the absence of a stiff media challenge to the Bush administration’s Iraq war misinformation campaign — was a failure of civic responsibility. With that failure, the professionals forfeited their claim to special privilege or unique public role as challengers of official wrongdoing and ferreters of truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you. I hope you continue to hammer this point home! Admissions of culpability by mainstream media with regard to this catastrophic melt-down of responsibility are still almost entirely absent from the press.</p>
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