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		<title>By: Blogging Insurance &#38; Quoting the Associated Press &#124; Home Business Work Online</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-4628</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogging Insurance &#38; Quoting the Associated Press &#124; Home Business Work Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Rosenberg puts it differently The trouble is that fair use law does not, apparently by intention, draw a simple line. It sets up a bunch of criteria that you have to weigh. And so the nightmare reposted-feed site is almost certainly not a fair use. A Digg home page with lots of AP stories? Well, on the one hand Digg is a business that conceivably is taking business value from AP; on the other hand, Digg users rate and discuss stories, so they’re adding them. And AP accounts for only a little bit of Digg’s total volume of stories. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scott Rosenberg puts it differently The trouble is that fair use law does not, apparently by intention, draw a simple line. It sets up a bunch of criteria that you have to weigh. And so the nightmare reposted-feed site is almost certainly not a fair use. A Digg home page with lots of AP stories? Well, on the one hand Digg is a business that conceivably is taking business value from AP; on the other hand, Digg users rate and discuss stories, so they’re adding them. And AP accounts for only a little bit of Digg’s total volume of stories. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; links for 2008-06-24&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-3456</link>
		<dc:creator>&#160; links for 2008-06-24&#160;&#8212;&#160;contentious.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Rosenberg’s Wordyard » Blog Archive » More on the settlement: AP’s nightmare identified &#8220;Fair use law does not, apparently by intention, draw a simple line. It sets up a bunch of criteria that you have to weigh. And so the nightmare reposted-feed site is almost certainly not a fair use.&#8221; (tags: copyright fair+use law news+biz media media+evolution social+media tidbits+fodder) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scott Rosenberg’s Wordyard » Blog Archive » More on the settlement: AP’s nightmare identified &#8220;Fair use law does not, apparently by intention, draw a simple line. It sets up a bunch of criteria that you have to weigh. And so the nightmare reposted-feed site is almost certainly not a fair use.&#8221; (tags: copyright fair+use law news+biz media media+evolution social+media tidbits+fodder) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brusselsblogger</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-3419</link>
		<dc:creator>Brusselsblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree with Eric that making a site that is re-posting links to AP's story isn't much of value. Everyone who is interested in a "news roundup" can go to Google News or Yahoo News which have licenced the content streams from AP. You can only make a site successful if you are adding value that you cannot get somewhere else, and then it will be more difficult for AP to say that such a site is simply "stealing" their content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree with Eric that making a site that is re-posting links to AP&#8217;s story isn&#8217;t much of value. Everyone who is interested in a &#8220;news roundup&#8221; can go to Google News or Yahoo News which have licenced the content streams from AP. You can only make a site successful if you are adding value that you cannot get somewhere else, and then it will be more difficult for AP to say that such a site is simply &#8220;stealing&#8221; their content.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging Insurance &#38; Quoting the Associated Press &#124; Andy Beard - Niche Marketing</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-3401</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogging Insurance &#38; Quoting the Associated Press &#124; Andy Beard - Niche Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Rosenberg puts it differently The trouble is that fair use law does not, apparently by intention, draw a simple line. It sets up a bunch of criteria that you have to weigh. And so the nightmare reposted-feed site is almost certainly not a fair use. A Digg home page with lots of AP stories? Well, on the one hand Digg is a business that conceivably is taking business value from AP; on the other hand, Digg users rate and discuss stories, so they’re adding them. And AP accounts for only a little bit of Digg’s total volume of stories. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scott Rosenberg puts it differently The trouble is that fair use law does not, apparently by intention, draw a simple line. It sets up a bunch of criteria that you have to weigh. And so the nightmare reposted-feed site is almost certainly not a fair use. A Digg home page with lots of AP stories? Well, on the one hand Digg is a business that conceivably is taking business value from AP; on the other hand, Digg users rate and discuss stories, so they’re adding them. And AP accounts for only a little bit of Digg’s total volume of stories. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chiropetra</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-3393</link>
		<dc:creator>Chiropetra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric Wrote:
&lt;i&gt;That sounds to me a whole lot more like a splog than something that anybody would find useful.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually Eric it's extremely useful. It's called a "news digest" and it's a basic tool for editors, not to mention the source of most of the "news roundups" you find in your local paper.

However I think the real answer is that a page full of headlines and first paragraphs would, as has been pointed out, not be fair use. A single headline or lead in a blog post almost certainly is fair use, much as the AP hates the idea.

I also think Scott has nailed the basic dynamic: A combination of newspaper editors afraid of the web and a sclerotic organization that can't get its head into the 21st century. So they cry havoc and unleash the lawyers of war.

The bloggers will survive nicely, thank you. But I'm not so sure about the AP.

Pity. My second job in journalism was as a reporter/editor for the AP and I remember most of that time fondly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Wrote:<br />
<i>That sounds to me a whole lot more like a splog than something that anybody would find useful.</i></p>
<p>Actually Eric it&#8217;s extremely useful. It&#8217;s called a &#8220;news digest&#8221; and it&#8217;s a basic tool for editors, not to mention the source of most of the &#8220;news roundups&#8221; you find in your local paper.</p>
<p>However I think the real answer is that a page full of headlines and first paragraphs would, as has been pointed out, not be fair use. A single headline or lead in a blog post almost certainly is fair use, much as the AP hates the idea.</p>
<p>I also think Scott has nailed the basic dynamic: A combination of newspaper editors afraid of the web and a sclerotic organization that can&#8217;t get its head into the 21st century. So they cry havoc and unleash the lawyers of war.</p>
<p>The bloggers will survive nicely, thank you. But I&#8217;m not so sure about the AP.</p>
<p>Pity. My second job in journalism was as a reporter/editor for the AP and I remember most of that time fondly.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-06-21 (Jarrett House North)</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-3392</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-06-21 (Jarrett House North)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More on the settlement: AP’s nightmare identified (Scott Rosenberg) The AP was trying to draw a conservative line in the sand about linking and reuse to prevent wholesale linkblogs from profiting on its content. Nice goal, wrong approach. (tags: blogging ap) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More on the settlement: AP’s nightmare identified (Scott Rosenberg) The AP was trying to draw a conservative line in the sand about linking and reuse to prevent wholesale linkblogs from profiting on its content. Nice goal, wrong approach. (tags: blogging ap) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-3389</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott wrote:

&lt;em&gt;Here is AP’s fear: if they say that doing this once is OK, then, well, doing it twice is probably OK, and you’re rolling down a slippery slope to their nightmare, which is someone creating a whole site based on a reposted feed of AP’s heds and lead paragraphs.&lt;/em&gt;

That sounds to me a whole lot more like a splog than something that anybody would find useful.  And I suppose that every blogger has some of their text scraped for use in splogs.  It's annoying, but I doubt that either bloggers or the AP is going to lose money over this sort of thing.  So if this is really the AP's big fear, I think it's misplaced.  It's an annoyance, not a threat.

-Erik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott wrote:</p>
<p><em>Here is AP’s fear: if they say that doing this once is OK, then, well, doing it twice is probably OK, and you’re rolling down a slippery slope to their nightmare, which is someone creating a whole site based on a reposted feed of AP’s heds and lead paragraphs.</em></p>
<p>That sounds to me a whole lot more like a splog than something that anybody would find useful.  And I suppose that every blogger has some of their text scraped for use in splogs.  It&#8217;s annoying, but I doubt that either bloggers or the AP is going to lose money over this sort of thing.  So if this is really the AP&#8217;s big fear, I think it&#8217;s misplaced.  It&#8217;s an annoyance, not a threat.</p>
<p>-Erik</p>
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		<title>By: John Furrier</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-3388</link>
		<dc:creator>John Furrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  Their dream business model is over.  Social networks see no value in their position.  They should spend their effort on reengineering for social networks not fighting them.

Can't fight the revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  Their dream business model is over.  Social networks see no value in their position.  They should spend their effort on reengineering for social networks not fighting them.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t fight the revolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/20/ap-nightmare-identified/#comment-3387</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &lt;i&gt;We on the Web can sit back and say, “AP doesn’t get it! They should love us for linking to them!” But AP has what economists call an “incumbent business model.” They have a way of obtaining revenue that they feel is threatened. That they will try to protect it is simply a given.&lt;/i&gt;

Excellent point. But regarding the incumbent business model (or "I.B.M."), press-watchers should read Dorian Bankoil: &lt;a href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/6/the_ap_s_real_problem_isn_t_bloggers_it_s_newspapers" rel="nofollow"&gt;The AP’s Real Problem Isn’t Bloggers: It’s Its Own Newspapers&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: <i>We on the Web can sit back and say, “AP doesn’t get it! They should love us for linking to them!” But AP has what economists call an “incumbent business model.” They have a way of obtaining revenue that they feel is threatened. That they will try to protect it is simply a given.</i></p>
<p>Excellent point. But regarding the incumbent business model (or &#8220;I.B.M.&#8221;), press-watchers should read Dorian Bankoil: <a href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/6/the_ap_s_real_problem_isn_t_bloggers_it_s_newspapers" rel="nofollow">The AP’s Real Problem Isn’t Bloggers: It’s Its Own Newspapers</a>.</p>
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