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	<title>Comments on: AP sends takedown letters to Drudge Retort: Do excerpts and links infringe?</title>
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		<title>By: Christian Leftist</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/12/ap-sends-takedown-letters-to-drudge-retort-do-excerpts-and-links-infringe/comment-page-1/#comment-3364</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Leftist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So big news aggregators (Google) can copy excerpts and link to the AP articles and we can't? Smells like crap to me.

Thanks for posting this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So big news aggregators (Google) can copy excerpts and link to the AP articles and we can&#8217;t? Smells like crap to me.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this.</p>
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		<title>By: The Internet jungle that scares large corporations : The LEADSExplorer Blog: Lead generation - Website visitors - CRM - B2B</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/12/ap-sends-takedown-letters-to-drudge-retort-do-excerpts-and-links-infringe/comment-page-1/#comment-3325</link>
		<dc:creator>The Internet jungle that scares large corporations : The LEADSExplorer Blog: Lead generation - Website visitors - CRM - B2B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] companies try to impose rules, like Drudge Retort take down (see Scott Rosenberg for more info). The company, Associated Press, sure is from another era and they cannot control the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] companies try to impose rules, like Drudge Retort take down (see Scott Rosenberg for more info). The company, Associated Press, sure is from another era and they cannot control the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rosenberg&#8217;s Wordyard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AP backs off &#8212; or does it?</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/12/ap-sends-takedown-letters-to-drudge-retort-do-excerpts-and-links-infringe/comment-page-1/#comment-3303</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Rosenberg&#8217;s Wordyard &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AP backs off &#8212; or does it?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first suggests that the AP has &#8220;retreated&#8221; in an &#8220;about face&#8221; after its hamhanded takedown notices sent to Rogers Cadenhead and his Drudge [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] first suggests that the AP has &#8220;retreated&#8221; in an &#8220;about face&#8221; after its hamhanded takedown notices sent to Rogers Cadenhead and his Drudge [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Someone please buy AP a clue &#124; Me Too!</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/12/ap-sends-takedown-letters-to-drudge-retort-do-excerpts-and-links-infringe/comment-page-1/#comment-3301</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone please buy AP a clue &#124; Me Too!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Salon founder Scott Rosenberg points out on his blog, the AP is almost certainly wrong. I would be willing to bet that a court would find in favour of Rogers Cadenhead on virtually every [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Salon founder Scott Rosenberg points out on his blog, the AP is almost certainly wrong. I would be willing to bet that a court would find in favour of Rogers Cadenhead on virtually every [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gather that the news wire services have similar styles, so that a subcriber can easily edit a story to fit into available space. Essentially, a simple version of the story is given in the first paragraph, followed by a series of increasingly expanded and more detailed versions.

So even a very short except may be complete enough not to be fair use.

The problem is that lawyers often seemed scared of explaining themselves, lest they ruin a later court case. They don't want to make it easy for your lawyers to wreck their case. They're scared of a conversation, but conversation is often the key to a blog.

And then you have the whole standard Internet can of worms about the application of local laws. "Fair use" doesn't even exist where I type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gather that the news wire services have similar styles, so that a subcriber can easily edit a story to fit into available space. Essentially, a simple version of the story is given in the first paragraph, followed by a series of increasingly expanded and more detailed versions.</p>
<p>So even a very short except may be complete enough not to be fair use.</p>
<p>The problem is that lawyers often seemed scared of explaining themselves, lest they ruin a later court case. They don&#8217;t want to make it easy for your lawyers to wreck their case. They&#8217;re scared of a conversation, but conversation is often the key to a blog.</p>
<p>And then you have the whole standard Internet can of worms about the application of local laws. &#8220;Fair use&#8221; doesn&#8217;t even exist where I type.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone please buy AP a clue &#124; Me Too!</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2008/06/12/ap-sends-takedown-letters-to-drudge-retort-do-excerpts-and-links-infringe/comment-page-1/#comment-3295</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone please buy AP a clue &#124; Me Too!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] use.’” As Salon founder Scott Rosenberg points out on his blog, the AP is almost certainly wrong. I would be willing to bet that a court would find in favour of Rogers Cadenhead on virtually every [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] use.’” As Salon founder Scott Rosenberg points out on his blog, the AP is almost certainly wrong. I would be willing to bet that a court would find in favour of Rogers Cadenhead on virtually every [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Morad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second vince. This is a scary move by AP. I am not sure what they are thinking, but maybe AP is trying to set things on the web the way they want it.

Did AP just got new mgmt? I am pretty sure this won't last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second vince. This is a scary move by AP. I am not sure what they are thinking, but maybe AP is trying to set things on the web the way they want it.</p>
<p>Did AP just got new mgmt? I am pretty sure this won&#8217;t last.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone please buy AP a clue &#187; mathewingram.com/work &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone please buy AP a clue &#187; mathewingram.com/work &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Salon founder Scott Rosenberg points out on his blog, the AP is almost certainly wrong. I would be willing to bet that a court would find in favour of Rogers Cadenhead on virtually every [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Salon founder Scott Rosenberg points out on his blog, the AP is almost certainly wrong. I would be willing to bet that a court would find in favour of Rogers Cadenhead on virtually every [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't actually ready your article, but I did read the link title and blurb on techmeme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t actually ready your article, but I did read the link title and blurb on techmeme.</p>
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		<title>By: vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that mean a portal like techmeme.com is also making copyright infringement? AFAIK techmeme publishes excerpts from the source for all the top stories, though they do give proper attribution for each headline. Google news also does the same. Could u throw some light on what is legal and what is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that mean a portal like techmeme.com is also making copyright infringement? AFAIK techmeme publishes excerpts from the source for all the top stories, though they do give proper attribution for each headline. Google news also does the same. Could u throw some light on what is legal and what is not.</p>
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