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	<title>Comments on: The blog-dimmed tide is loosed!</title>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2007/06/14/blog-dimmed-tide/comment-page-1/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 01:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that\&#039;s neat!i</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that\&#8217;s neat!i</p>
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		<title>By: MediaBlog &#187; Andrew Keen en het beroerde imago van internet</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2007/06/14/blog-dimmed-tide/comment-page-1/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>MediaBlog &#187; Andrew Keen en het beroerde imago van internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] met The Sleep of Reason en From Contemplative Man to Flickering Man (Nick Carr). En een verhaal, The blog dimmed tide is loosed, van Scott Rosenberg van [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Digidave</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2007/06/14/blog-dimmed-tide/comment-page-1/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>Digidave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Keen in a similar debate at Personal Democracy Forum 2007: On one side was Scobble and Craig Newmark. On the other, Keen and ridding the waves between the two was Clay Shirkey.

I have to give credit to Keen. In a room filled with web 2.0 evangelists -- he stood his ground. I was waiting for people to throw rotten fruit at him.

But the whole debate seemed like a Red Herring to me. For one, Keen was out to sell books via provoking. More important Keen is an extremist (at least, that&#039;s how he came off to me). I think there are valid concerns and issues that he brings up. But &quot;how the amateur is killing our culture and our economy.&quot; --- seems a bit dramatic.

Granted: I&#039;m bias in the other direction -- having been involved in a project that banked completely on user generated content and currently helping to research a book on &quot;crowdsourcing.&quot; But at least I recognize my extremities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Keen in a similar debate at Personal Democracy Forum 2007: On one side was Scobble and Craig Newmark. On the other, Keen and ridding the waves between the two was Clay Shirkey.</p>
<p>I have to give credit to Keen. In a room filled with web 2.0 evangelists &#8212; he stood his ground. I was waiting for people to throw rotten fruit at him.</p>
<p>But the whole debate seemed like a Red Herring to me. For one, Keen was out to sell books via provoking. More important Keen is an extremist (at least, that&#8217;s how he came off to me). I think there are valid concerns and issues that he brings up. But &#8220;how the amateur is killing our culture and our economy.&#8221; &#8212; seems a bit dramatic.</p>
<p>Granted: I&#8217;m bias in the other direction &#8212; having been involved in a project that banked completely on user generated content and currently helping to research a book on &#8220;crowdsourcing.&#8221; But at least I recognize my extremities.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-06-17 &#171; Mike Does Tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-06-17 &#171; Mike Does Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 00:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Rosenberg’s Wordyard » Blog Archive » The blog-dimmed tide is loosed! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Question Technology</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2007/06/14/blog-dimmed-tide/comment-page-1/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>Question Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Web 2.0 Backlash Frenzy...&lt;/strong&gt;

Scott Rosenberg has a good roundup of the players, including Andrew Keen, Nicholas Carr, Michael Gorman of the ALA, and the Britannica folks. Rosenberg also repeats a common argument:Regardless of how you feel about all these issues, it’s hard to...</description>
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<p>Scott Rosenberg has a good roundup of the players, including Andrew Keen, Nicholas Carr, Michael Gorman of the ALA, and the Britannica folks. Rosenberg also repeats a common argument:Regardless of how you feel about all these issues, it’s hard to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mobmash blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-06-16</title>
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		<dc:creator>mobmash blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-06-16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Rosenberg’s Wordyard » Blog Archive » The blog-dimmed tide is loosed! (tags: web2.0 books to-read blogging) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cleo Saulnier</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2007/06/14/blog-dimmed-tide/comment-page-1/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>Cleo Saulnier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Web 2.0?  Was it a talk on extinct technologies?  I haven&#039;t heard that term in over a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Web 2.0?  Was it a talk on extinct technologies?  I haven&#8217;t heard that term in over a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2007/06/14/blog-dimmed-tide/comment-page-1/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Then again, perhaps this is an emergent, Web 2.0-ish phalanx…&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, a swarm phalanx. Or, as I like to say, a swarmlanx.

Is swarmlanx.com available?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Then again, perhaps this is an emergent, Web 2.0-ish phalanx…</em></p>
<p>Yes, a swarm phalanx. Or, as I like to say, a swarmlanx.</p>
<p>Is swarmlanx.com available?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;ve got a wikisceptic piece in yesterday&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Guardian&lt;/em&gt; column. It seems to me very misleading to lump Google Maps as part of the same phenomenon. If it were there would be edit wars over the claim that these photographs show the earth is round.

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2101810,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;ve got a wikisceptic piece in yesterday&#8217;s <em>Guardian</em> column. It seems to me very misleading to lump Google Maps as part of the same phenomenon. If it were there would be edit wars over the claim that these photographs show the earth is round.</p>
<p><a href="http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2101810,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2101810,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom from Britannica</title>
		<link>http://www.wordyard.com/2007/06/14/blog-dimmed-tide/comment-page-1/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom from Britannica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgan wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Let’s say that Britannica has indeed stacked the deck. What does that accomplish?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, absolutely nothing. Which is why we&#039;ve invited people who don&#039;t agree with Gorman, like Shirky and for that matter Nick Carr.

And please read &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.britannica.com/blog/main/2007/06/authority-of-a-new-kind/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matthew Battles&#039; piece&lt;/a&gt; if you think we&#039;re being phalanx-centric.  I can&#039;t believe the guy&#039;s not famous.  Or is he and I just don&#039;t know it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan wrote:</p>
<p><i>Let’s say that Britannica has indeed stacked the deck. What does that accomplish?</i></p>
<p>Well, absolutely nothing. Which is why we&#8217;ve invited people who don&#8217;t agree with Gorman, like Shirky and for that matter Nick Carr.</p>
<p>And please read <a href="http://blogs.britannica.com/blog/main/2007/06/authority-of-a-new-kind/" rel="nofollow">Matthew Battles&#8217; piece</a> if you think we&#8217;re being phalanx-centric.  I can&#8217;t believe the guy&#8217;s not famous.  Or is he and I just don&#8217;t know it?</p>
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