Comments on: Bush, “fascist” and the other F word http://www.wordyard.com/2006/08/11/islamic-fascism/ Technology, politics, culture Thu, 02 Sep 2010 20:00:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: dismayed american http://www.wordyard.com/2006/08/11/islamic-fascism/#comment-155 dismayed american Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:32:10 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1100#comment-155 ? ?

]]> By: dismayed american http://www.wordyard.com/2006/08/11/islamic-fascism/#comment-154 dismayed american Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:26:27 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1100#comment-154 just another lie that the bush admin. tries to feed us just another lie that the bush admin. tries to feed us

]]> By: SynapseChronicles - » The ‘F’ word http://www.wordyard.com/2006/08/11/islamic-fascism/#comment-153 SynapseChronicles - » The ‘F’ word Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:18:58 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1100#comment-153 [...] Scott Rosenberg: “Is there some reason that President Bush might not want to refer to the enemy as ‘fundamentalist’?”. [...] [...] Scott Rosenberg: “Is there some reason that President Bush might not want to refer to the enemy as ‘fundamentalist’?”. [...]

]]> By: Dennis Moser http://www.wordyard.com/2006/08/11/islamic-fascism/#comment-152 Dennis Moser Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:34:15 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1100#comment-152 "Fascism" simply does not apply here: there was a fundamental (yes, deliberate word choice there!) element to the German and Italian (and the now-rampant American) strains of fascism that you didn't mention and that is the merging of the corporate with the political. When we see Islamic politicians openly incorporating Islamic corporation policies into political policy, then we can call it "Islamic fascism." Until then, it just remains the word the Shrubya can't get up the guts to say: "Fundamentalism." Religious fundamentalism is dangerous enough; when combined with political activism, things start getting nasty. When those two combine with Big Bidness, we're heading into disaster territory. “Fascism” simply does not apply here: there was a fundamental (yes, deliberate word choice there!) element to the German and Italian (and the now-rampant American) strains of fascism that you didn’t mention and that is the merging of the corporate with the political.

When we see Islamic politicians openly incorporating Islamic corporation policies into political policy, then we can call it “Islamic fascism.” Until then, it just remains the word the Shrubya can’t get up the guts to say: “Fundamentalism.”

Religious fundamentalism is dangerous enough; when combined with political activism, things start getting nasty. When those two combine with Big Bidness, we’re heading into disaster territory.

]]> By: sysrick.com » links for 2006-08-13 http://www.wordyard.com/2006/08/11/islamic-fascism/#comment-151 sysrick.com » links for 2006-08-13 Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:19:58 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1100#comment-151 [...] Bush, “fascist” and the other F word [...] [...] Bush, “fascist” and the other F word [...]

]]> By: Scott Rosenberg http://www.wordyard.com/2006/08/11/islamic-fascism/#comment-150 Scott Rosenberg Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:50:51 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1100#comment-150 Indeed, "Islamist" makes more sense, and it has a specific meaning drawn from the whole notion of restoring the caliphate and the tradition of Sayyid Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood. Unfortunately, the term is so close phonetically and in spelling to "Islamic" that it is unlikely to achieve any valuable separation from that more general term in the public mind or the president's. It appears to carry its own <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism rel="nofollow">controversies</a> as well (though what, in this realm, wouldn't, I suppose). I also think that "fanatic" (which clearly applies in all these cases) and "fascist" are so close that it may just be Bush's mind sliding thoughtlessly from the former to the latter. Or quite deliberately. One of the abiding mysteries of the Bush presidency is, how much of his apparent incompetence and disconnectedness is genuine and how much is calculated for political advantage? I don't think we'll ever know the truth on that. Indeed, “Islamist” makes more sense, and it has a specific meaning drawn from the whole notion of restoring the caliphate and the tradition of Sayyid Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood. Unfortunately, the term is so close phonetically and in spelling to “Islamic” that it is unlikely to achieve any valuable separation from that more general term in the public mind or the president’s. It appears to carry its own controversies as well (though what, in this realm, wouldn’t, I suppose).

I also think that “fanatic” (which clearly applies in all these cases) and “fascist” are so close that it may just be Bush’s mind sliding thoughtlessly from the former to the latter. Or quite deliberately. One of the abiding mysteries of the Bush presidency is, how much of his apparent incompetence and disconnectedness is genuine and how much is calculated for political advantage? I don’t think we’ll ever know the truth on that.

]]> By: Kevin Marks http://www.wordyard.com/2006/08/11/islamic-fascism/#comment-149 Kevin Marks Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:59:35 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1100#comment-149 It may be a Bushism - 'Islamofascist' has previously been used to refer to the Ba'ath party in Iraq and Syria, where your analogy hold up better; Hizb'allah as yet thankfully don't have control of Lebanon, though the crisis they have precipitated may help them achieve that. The term 'Islamist', for those who make a revolutionary ideology loosely based around Islam may be the one that fits better - what do you think? It may be a Bushism – ‘Islamofascist’ has previously been used to refer to the Ba’ath party in Iraq and Syria, where your analogy hold up better; Hizb’allah as yet thankfully don’t have control of Lebanon, though the crisis they have precipitated may help them achieve that.
The term ‘Islamist’, for those who make a revolutionary ideology loosely based around Islam may be the one that fits better – what do you think?

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