Unfortunately, Symantic stopped selling and supporting GrandView in 1992.

Terry

I have returned to Macs for personal use after a long absence They are still beautiful. But I would love to have IN CONTROL or ecco pro. Omni-outliner seems full featured at first glance, but I find it confusing and lacking very valuable tools that were present in IN CONTROL and ecco pro.

If you haven’t already seen it, there’s a great recap of Outliners by Ted Goranson on ATPM http://www.atpm.com/9.11/atpo.shtml

I blogged a bit about IN CONTROL too:
http://www.fluteplayer.net/2007/02/in-control-35-anything-like-it-online.html

Hoping that somebody (if I had the coding chops, I’d do it!), will revive IN CONTROL as there’s a bunch of ‘us’ who really don’t want to use anything else!

anyhow…

Thanks!

-Bob

BTW SQLNotes runs on a Mac under Parallels. http://www.sqlnotes.net

http://www.faughnan.com/more

GrandView belongs in any history of Outliners btw as does FullWrite Professional:

http://tech.kateva.org/2007/08/rescuing-data-from-1993-archival.html

(note how tiny FW is, still runs in Classic!).

In terms of WP/outliner integration things are truly weak now (curse you Microsoft Word!!), but the brand new Nisus Writer Pro has some interesting outliner like features. I’m still using Express, but I’ll switch to Pro after it’s had a few more months of testing (no great rush).

I do miss MORE, nothing like it today, really. I’d have loved Ecco too, but I was on a Mac when it was popular and now that I’ve returned to the Mac it wouldn’t help me. OmniOutliner Pro is very good, but it’s not enough of a wordprocessor for my current uses, and I never got the hang of its style model.

The ideal information management app must be an excellent outliner with multiple parents support (when required), an excellent linker (i.e. like the web), an excellent tagger, an excellent editor supporting rich text editing in the outline AND in a second rich text window, support flat and tree-structured display with or without a data grid, usable as a flexible database supporting calculations and reporting and an have excellent search engine. Plus it needs to have a customizable UI, support drag-drop and have links to all other major apps.

Only if you have all these features can you adequately organize all kinds of information, not just a specific kind.
Yes Ecco is/was an excellent outliner+data grid, but had no item to item linker, and forced structured tree representation, which may or may not suit the specific information or the way a particular person wants to work/organize its information. It had rich text outlines and customizable UI but for the rest, the above features were not great or not there at all.

This is where SQLNotes (code name) comes in. It has ALL of the above features. It was inspired by Ecco, but it took the concept much further. The current beta available at http://www.sqlnotes.net is very stable. You are all welcomed to download a free copy.

http://www.sqlnotes.net

Maybe you could also look at this multi-tabbed outliner: TreeDBNotes PRO.

http://www.mytreedb.com/treedbnotes_pro.html

amazing new powers…

check them out (for free!!) at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ecco_pro/

also..

http://eccoTools.com