Comments on: Outliners then and now http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/ Technology, politics, culture Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:26:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Shayne http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-13267 Shayne Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:55:31 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-13267 Nice article - I was sort of put off with the state of single pane outliners (or lack of) for Windows so in frustration I built my own: http://www.getume.com My goal is to create an updated single pane outliner with updated tools for research. My project is immature at the moment but I have a free version available. Nice article – I was sort of put off with the state of single pane outliners (or lack of) for Windows so in frustration I built my own: http://www.getume.com

My goal is to create an updated single pane outliner with updated tools for research.

My project is immature at the moment but I have a free version available.

]]> By: Bijoy Datta http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-13077 Bijoy Datta Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:16:52 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-13077 Thanks for the blogpost. I was an avid Ecco user on my PCs in the past. But, having moved over to Macs since switching jobs two years ago, I've been frustrated to never find a high-quality Ecco alternative. I hadn't heard of Tinderbox but am downloading it as I type to try it out. Thanks for the blogpost. I was an avid Ecco user on my PCs in the past. But, having moved over to Macs since switching jobs two years ago, I’ve been frustrated to never find a high-quality Ecco alternative.

I hadn’t heard of Tinderbox but am downloading it as I type to try it out.

]]> By: Rhb http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-9505 Rhb Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:05:51 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-9505 I too have used outliners for several decades starting with Tour that ran on my Osborne, and later Brown Bag Outliner and PC Outliner running on an 8086 machine, before I switched to Grandview. I am running Vista. I use Ecco daily for projects, clients and general overall organization. I use Grandview daily (running in a DOS window) for note taking when I really need speed (key stroke manipulation) and classification; and Notemap for outlines that I need to share (one click to word). I also use Inspiration and Mindjet for graphical outlines and those I upload to websites, etc. I have started using SQLNotes (now InfoCube) and while I have not mastered all the features I like the Ecco/Grandview-like Outline with columns. I use InfoSelect for random notes. All in all, I have not found a product that has the keyboard speed of Grandview; or the power of Ecco, but I have hopes for InfoCube. Thx. for an interesting post. I too have used outliners for several decades starting with Tour that ran on my Osborne, and later Brown Bag Outliner and PC Outliner running on an 8086 machine, before I switched to Grandview. I am running Vista. I use Ecco daily for projects, clients and general overall organization. I use Grandview daily (running in a DOS window) for note taking when I really need speed (key stroke manipulation) and classification; and Notemap for outlines that I need to share (one click to word). I also use Inspiration and Mindjet for graphical outlines and those I upload to websites, etc. I have started using SQLNotes (now InfoCube) and while I have not mastered all the features I like the Ecco/Grandview-like Outline with columns. I use InfoSelect for random notes. All in all, I have not found a product that has the keyboard speed of Grandview; or the power of Ecco, but I have hopes for InfoCube. Thx. for an interesting post.

]]> By: Michael Everitt http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-9449 Michael Everitt Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:54:40 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-9449 Count me in the group left with broken hearts after MORE was discontinued. Every 6 months or so I go looking for something as good as MORE was, and have not found it so far. Today I use Freemind a lot, and have fun shifting things on and offline with Mindmeister http://www.mindmeister.com since it imports and exports Freemind. And I use a 2-pane outliner called myBase from http://www.wjjsoft.com which has a Firefox adjunct called 'save to myBase' for adding clippings to outlines. Wasn't able to get ECCO going last time I tried but I think I'll give it another go. I want to be able to hoist and de-hoist (remember that?) and be able to format outline subsections when needed to turn them into ad-hoc slide presentations. For me, rather than forcing hierarchical thinking when it is not appropriate, outliners facilitate hierarchical organization when it is helpful, which is often. That's one big difference between mindmapping and outlining. I like both, but for different reasons Thanks for your post and sharing your insights. Count me in the group left with broken hearts after MORE was discontinued. Every 6 months or so I go looking for something as good as MORE was, and have not found it so far.

Today I use Freemind a lot, and have fun shifting things on and offline with Mindmeister http://www.mindmeister.com since it imports and exports Freemind. And I use a 2-pane outliner called myBase from http://www.wjjsoft.com which has a Firefox adjunct called ’save to myBase’ for adding clippings to outlines.

Wasn’t able to get ECCO going last time I tried but I think I’ll give it another go. I want to be able to hoist and de-hoist (remember that?) and be able to format outline subsections when needed to turn them into ad-hoc slide presentations.

For me, rather than forcing hierarchical thinking when it is not appropriate, outliners facilitate hierarchical organization when it is helpful, which is often. That’s one big difference between mindmapping and outlining. I like both, but for different reasons

Thanks for your post and sharing your insights.

]]> By: Joel Norvell http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-4904 Joel Norvell Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:48:42 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-4904 Scott, Here's another outliner for your inventory: TreeBuilder, The Visual Outliner http://frameworker.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/treebuilder/ Oh, and Julian, I'm totally unrepentant for having written it ;-) Joel Scott,

Here’s another outliner for your inventory:

TreeBuilder, The Visual Outliner

http://frameworker.wordpress.com/2008/08/01/treebuilder/

Oh, and Julian, I’m totally unrepentant for having written it ;-)

Joel

]]> By: Jurgen Stephens http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-4560 Jurgen Stephens Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:02:07 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-4560 I use a program called ConnectedText that includes an outline tool. So I have the best of both worlds: outlines and wiki. I can import OPML files and create wiki entries for each item in my outline, expanding information without the need to create new branches in the hierarchy. I use a program called ConnectedText that includes an outline tool. So I have the best of both worlds: outlines and wiki. I can import OPML files and create wiki entries for each item in my outline, expanding information without the need to create new branches in the hierarchy.

]]> By: Joe http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Joe Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:50:12 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-85 I've been practicing law for 29 years, and need to make and modify outlines quickly. I've tried ECCO, Notemap, and other outliners, but the hands-down champion for speed, flexibility and import/export capabilities is GrandView 2.0. Although DOS-based, it works well on XP Pro. Unfortunately, Symantic stopped selling and supporting GrandView in 1992. I’ve been practicing law for 29 years, and need to make and modify outlines quickly. I’ve tried ECCO, Notemap, and other outliners, but the hands-down champion for speed, flexibility and import/export capabilities is GrandView 2.0. Although DOS-based, it works well on XP Pro.

Unfortunately, Symantic stopped selling and supporting GrandView in 1992.

]]> By: Terry http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Terry Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:48:48 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-84 ECCO Pro and SQLNotes both run well under Parallels ... ECCO Pro far outstrips any of the native Mac apps, most especially OmniOutliner. Terry ECCO Pro and SQLNotes both run well under Parallels … ECCO Pro far outstrips any of the native Mac apps, most especially OmniOutliner.

Terry

]]> By: Bob http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Bob Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:38:57 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-82 I use notemap at work. It's a pc-based program that works a lot like MORE. I have returned to Macs for personal use after a long absence They are still beautiful. But I would love to have IN CONTROL or ecco pro. Omni-outliner seems full featured at first glance, but I find it confusing and lacking very valuable tools that were present in IN CONTROL and ecco pro. I use notemap at work. It’s a pc-based program that works a lot like MORE.

I have returned to Macs for personal use after a long absence They are still beautiful. But I would love to have IN CONTROL or ecco pro. Omni-outliner seems full featured at first glance, but I find it confusing and lacking very valuable tools that were present in IN CONTROL and ecco pro.

]]> By: Bob Afifi http://www.wordyard.com/2006/07/26/outliners/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Bob Afifi Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:24:26 +0000 http://www.wordyard.com/?p=1079#comment-80 I use a Mac and am a die hard IN CONTROL user which is long discontinued program that runs on OS9. Haven't found anything yet that can touch IN CONTROL, so have been sticking with Mac computers that still run OS9. If you haven't already seen it, there's a great recap of Outliners by Ted Goranson on ATPM http://www.atpm.com/9.11/atpo.shtml I blogged a bit about IN CONTROL too: http://www.fluteplayer.net/2007/02/in-control-35-anything-like-it-online.html Hoping that somebody (if I had the coding chops, I'd do it!), will revive IN CONTROL as there's a bunch of 'us' who really don't want to use anything else! anyhow... Thanks! -Bob I use a Mac and am a die hard IN CONTROL user which is long discontinued program that runs on OS9. Haven’t found anything yet that can touch IN CONTROL, so have been sticking with Mac computers that still run OS9.

If you haven’t already seen it, there’s a great recap of Outliners by Ted Goranson on ATPM http://www.atpm.com/9.11/atpo.shtml

I blogged a bit about IN CONTROL too:
http://www.fluteplayer.net/2007/02/in-control-35-anything-like-it-online.html

Hoping that somebody (if I had the coding chops, I’d do it!), will revive IN CONTROL as there’s a bunch of ‘us’ who really don’t want to use anything else!

anyhow…

Thanks!

-Bob

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